Comments on: The Black Angels, The Tyde – 2006-10-23 http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/ Serious Business Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:27:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jason http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/comment-page-1/#comment-7682 Jason Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:45:40 +0000 http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/#comment-7682 The thing about Jayney's recordings is she doesn't do anything to compensate for the delay between the room mics and the SBD feed, other than making the AUD source lower in her mix. And it's impossible to really monitor the mix with headphones in a loud club. And even if she's able to give you an output for just the SBD feed, her little portable mixer just sounds crappy. Here's how I synch up SBD AUD sources in post-production: 1. Import all the tracks into Pro Tools. 2. Make sure the L R channels match for the two sources, and pan the L R channels 100%. 3. In order to sync the two sources I look for a drumbeat or other clear sound at the beginning of the set, and then trim either the SBD or AUD source so that the two source line up. I zoom in as far as possible to make sure the waveforms are matching up exactly. Listen to the beginning to make sure it sounds in sync. Then find a drumbeat at the end of the set and figure out the difference in length between the two sources. Use the time compression expansion feature to line up the two sources, usually by stretching the AUD source to fit. Listen to the end of the set to make sure it sounds in sync. 4. Mix the levels of the two sources to your liking. It really depends on the sound of your two sources, but if both came out reasonably good I try and get enough AUD in the mix so the drums have some natural room sound and the guitars sound a little punchier. Or if the crowd was too chatty I might turn the AUD source down to the point where they can only be heard between songs. Play around with the levels and mute tracks until you find a mix that works. 5. Trim the beginning and end of the set, add cross-fades, whatever. 6. Bounce all the tracks to a stereo mix. 7. Track and burn. That's the simplified process. It can get trickier if one of the sources is flawed and requires more editing. The thing about Jayney’s recordings is she doesn’t do anything to compensate for the delay between the room mics and the SBD feed, other than making the AUD source lower in her mix. And it’s impossible to really monitor the mix with headphones in a loud club. And even if she’s able to give you an output for just the SBD feed, her little portable mixer just sounds crappy.

Here’s how I synch up SBD AUD sources in post-production:

1. Import all the tracks into Pro Tools.
2. Make sure the L R channels match for the two sources, and pan the L R channels 100%.
3. In order to sync the two sources I look for a drumbeat or other clear sound at the beginning of the set, and then trim either the SBD or AUD source so that the two source line up. I zoom in as far as possible to make sure the waveforms are matching up exactly. Listen to the beginning to make sure it sounds in sync. Then find a drumbeat at the end of the set and figure out the difference in length between the two sources. Use the time compression expansion feature to line up the two sources, usually by stretching the AUD source to fit. Listen to the end of the set to make sure it sounds in sync.
4. Mix the levels of the two sources to your liking. It really depends on the sound of your two sources, but if both came out reasonably good I try and get enough AUD in the mix so the drums have some natural room sound and the guitars sound a little punchier. Or if the crowd was too chatty I might turn the AUD source down to the point where they can only be heard between songs. Play around with the levels and mute tracks until you find a mix that works.
5. Trim the beginning and end of the set, add cross-fades, whatever.
6. Bounce all the tracks to a stereo mix.
7. Track and burn.

That’s the simplified process. It can get trickier if one of the sources is flawed and requires more editing.

]]> By: OasisDouglas http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/comment-page-1/#comment-6616 OasisDouglas Wed, 01 Nov 2006 08:03:56 +0000 http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/#comment-6616 Hey Brian... Finally have a Tyde recording ready for ya. Sorry I'm not quick with these like you. Also, it looks like this is my only complete recording. I have partials on another show or two. (I Should have set up a stationary rig so it could have been taping while I was running around) Just about done with Mew also. URL: http://www.oasisdouglas.com/recordings/Tyde2006-10-20_aud_sonics.zip INFO: THE TYDE (AUD-1disc-MicroTrack) 2006-10-20 USA-Portland, OR-Doug Fir Lounge SOURCE: Sonic Studios DSM-6 -> PA-6LC -> MicroTrack TRANSFER: MicroTrack -> USB -> Adobe Audition -> Mastering Rack (Wave Arts TrackPlug 5, Wave Arts MultiDynamics 5) -> CD Wave Editor -> WAV -> FLAC Frontend -> FLAC SETLIST: 01 Intro - "Are We Ready" 02 Blood Brothers 03 Henry VIII 04 A Loner 05 Do It Again Again 06 Too Many Kims 07 Separate Cars 08 Brock Landers 09 Ltd. Appeal 10 Go Ask Yer Dad 11 Shortboard City 12 Silver's Okay Michelle LENGTH: 44:45 DATE: Friday, October 20, 2006 RECORDED BY: OasisDouglas (www.oasisdouglas.com | trades@oasisdouglas.com) --> NorthWestTapers Recording # NWT06.A.45.aud Hey Brian… Finally have a Tyde recording ready for ya. Sorry I’m not quick with these like you. Also, it looks like this is my only complete recording. I have partials on another show or two. (I Should have set up a stationary rig so it could have been taping while I was running around)

Just about done with Mew also.

URL:
http://www.oasisdouglas.com/recordings/Tyde2006-10-20_aud_sonics.zip

INFO:
THE TYDE (AUD-1disc-MicroTrack)

2006-10-20
USA-Portland, OR-Doug Fir Lounge

SOURCE: Sonic Studios DSM-6 -> PA-6LC -> MicroTrack
TRANSFER: MicroTrack -> USB -> Adobe Audition -> Mastering Rack (Wave Arts TrackPlug 5, Wave Arts MultiDynamics 5) -> CD Wave Editor -> WAV -> FLAC Frontend -> FLAC

SETLIST:
01 Intro – “Are We Ready”
02 Blood Brothers
03 Henry VIII
04 A Loner
05 Do It Again Again
06 Too Many Kims
07 Separate Cars
08 Brock Landers
09 Ltd. Appeal
10 Go Ask Yer Dad
11 Shortboard City
12 Silver’s Okay Michelle

LENGTH: 44:45
DATE: Friday, October 20, 2006
RECORDED BY: OasisDouglas (www.oasisdouglas.com | trades@oasisdouglas.com)
–> NorthWestTapers Recording # NWT06.A.45.aud

]]> By: David Grant http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/comment-page-1/#comment-6402 David Grant Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:02:43 +0000 http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/#comment-6402 Thank you! Thank you!

]]> By: Jeff http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/comment-page-1/#comment-6363 Jeff Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:10:22 +0000 http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/#comment-6363 Awesome! I was at the Saturday show. Can't wait to check this out. Awesome! I was at the Saturday show. Can’t wait to check this out.

]]> By: OasisDouglas http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/comment-page-1/#comment-6321 OasisDouglas Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:01:43 +0000 http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/#comment-6321 OK... I should have know you knew exactly what you were getting. Thanks again! OK… I should have know you knew exactly what you were getting.

Thanks again!

]]> By: Brian http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/comment-page-1/#comment-6319 Brian Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:09:32 +0000 http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/#comment-6319 She said she turned down her mic for the tape-out I was getting. The feed I got from her sounds very dry like a soundboard usually does. She said she turned down her mic for the tape-out I was getting. The feed I got from her sounds very dry like a soundboard usually does.

]]> By: OasisDouglas http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/comment-page-1/#comment-6317 OasisDouglas Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:21:58 +0000 http://iamserio.us/2006/10/24/the-black-angels-the-tyde-2006-10-23/#comment-6317 Thanks very much for taping and sharing Brian! Can't wait to listen to this... and watch what end up with for 'Live Eye TV'. Was your SBD feed just the SBD, or did it have Jayney's Audience mix included? We once had a line out from her, and it was her matrix that she does on the fly. That might have added the extra layer of complexity if you were getting her matrix. If it's not too much trouble, and you recorded on seperate rigs (it sounds like you did), I'd love seperate recordings of your audio and the soundboard feed. I have 2 audience sources (sonic studios -> Microtrack) & (DPA4061 -> iRiver) if you're interested in either of the 2, however I'm sure yours is better, and both mine will be posted on LMA eventually. Thanks again for all your efforts on this show. It's my fav band right now and it was really nice to see the tapers out in full force. Thanks very much for taping and sharing Brian! Can’t wait to listen to this… and watch what end up with for ‘Live Eye TV’.

Was your SBD feed just the SBD, or did it have Jayney’s Audience mix included? We once had a line out from her, and it was her matrix that she does on the fly. That might have added the extra layer of complexity if you were getting her matrix.

If it’s not too much trouble, and you recorded on seperate rigs (it sounds like you did), I’d love seperate recordings of your audio and the soundboard feed. I have 2 audience sources (sonic studios -> Microtrack) & (DPA4061 -> iRiver) if you’re interested in either of the 2, however I’m sure yours is better, and both mine will be posted on LMA eventually.

Thanks again for all your efforts on this show. It’s my fav band right now and it was really nice to see the tapers out in full force.

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